Stelek's Xerox My List!

[CKO]

I turn in my list to that post an ard boyz list and then he comes up with this, I think he Xerox my list what do you think?

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/03/space-marines-ard-boyz-approved.html

[fallenbob]

please be kidding....

[CKO]

Combat squads missle launchers and razorbacks looks the same to me.

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/03/diy.html

But he said approved so maybe thats what he means?

[fallenbob]

no khan or tigerius, something you added to give you the outflank option, this list relies on pure firepower to win it the game

he actually uses sternguard where you dont use any elites

half the troops you tried to use, las plas razors over twin las razors

no techmarines

his list has a LOT more firepower

only similarities is that u both use lascannons and missile launchers to whittle down opponents only he uses a LOT more. this is something a lot of long range armies share

[fallenbob]

not to mention ur list including techmarines to get that 3+ cover save in ruins where not every table will have ruins let alone the fact that your deployment zone may not even have ruins in it even if your table does have ruins

[CKO]

I said Xerox, meaning using the same principle or strategy. If you were to play my list and his version of my list what is the difference if I decide to start the razorbacks on the field?

Hunter killer missles and plasma guns

[fallenbob]

that u just wasted a lot of points on ur two hqs, if ur list doesnt get ruins in its deployment zone, then thats another negative to ur list

his list laughs at ur list's firepower

now as far as principle or strategy all means is that both lists shoot people, mine does it, ur ig does it, everybody that wants to run a shooty army does it.

[themonad]

i xeroxed your razor spam to make my mechdar.

[fallenbob]

oh noes....

[themonad]

i also xeroxed last years ard boys list to make my scout force in the last tournament.

[Battle-Brother Cain]

I said Xerox, meaning using the same principle or strategy. If you were to play my list and his version of my list what is the difference if I decide to start the razorbacks on the field?

Hunter killer missles and plasma guns

Actually Xerox means an exact copy... Maybe with one or two variations, but mostly the same overall. Principle and strategy have nothing to do with it really.

[CKO]

So technically this list

1 Bjorn the Fell-Handed @ 270 pts (Smoke Launchers; Wolf Tail Talisman; Dreadnought CCW; Heavy Flamer; Plasma Cannon; Ancient Tactician; Living Relic; Venerable; Ward of the Primarch; Saga of Majesty)

1 Inquisitor Lord [OM] @ 227 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Emperor's Tarot; Psychic Hood; Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol x1; Mount in Chimera; Independent Character; Iron Will; Psyker; Retinue)
1 Chimera [OM] (Amphibious; Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 1; Fire Points: 2; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Multilaser; Heavy Flamer)
2 Mystic [OM] (Unit Type: Infantry; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Mystic)
2 Warrior [OM] (Veteran Guardsman; Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Targeter; Meltagun x2)

1 Assassin Operative [OM] @ 120 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Callidus Assassin; Poison Blades; Polymorphine; C'tan Phase Sword; Neural Shredder; A Word in Your Ear; Fearless; Independent Character; Infiltrate; Invulnerable; Jump Back)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 154 pts (Wolf Guard in Power Armour; Razorback)
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 154 pts (Wolf Guard in Power Armour; Razorback)
3 Wolf Guard in Power Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

5 Grey Hunters Pack @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x5; Bolter x4; Close Combat Weapon x5; Flamer; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Razorback)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Hunter Killer Missile; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 90 pts (Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 90 pts (Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 90 pts (Heavy Bolter x1; Typhoon Missile Launcher)

1 Vindicator @ 115 pts (Vehicle: Tank; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter)

1 Vindicator @ 115 pts (Vehicle: Tank; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter)

1 Vindicator @ 115 pts (Vehicle: Tank; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter)

is not a xerox of this list

http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/02/taakcurly-space-puppies-critical-mass.html

[Battle-Brother Cain]

pretty damn close... Vindies instead of Long Fangs, Bjorn instead of Rune Priest... Otherwise identical...

[themonad]

gotta agree with cain, that is damn close. i thought you were talking about a different one of your army lists, id be wary of going any further with it. you know, tackling the big bad monster stelek whos lists are "xeroxed" by hella lotta people.

[CKO]

My list that I posted on his site

HQ: Kor'sarro Khan (1#, 160 pts)
1 Kor'sarro Khan @ 160 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Moonfang; And They Shall Know No Fear; Chapter Tactics; Combat Tactics; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Independent Character; Master of the Hunt)

HQ: Chief Librarian Tigurius (1#, 230 pts)
1 Chief Librarian Tigurius @ 230 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Hood of Hellfire; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Rod of Tigurius; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Gift of Prescience; Independent Character; Master Psyker; Force Dome; Machine Curse; Might of the Ancients; Null Zone; Quickening; Smite; The Avenger; The Gate of Infinity; Vortex of Doom)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 260 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 260 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 260 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 260 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 260 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 260 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 260 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 260 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 260 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 260 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 250 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 250 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Vehicle: Tank; Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (10#, 230 pts)
9 Devastator Squad @ 230 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Missile Launcher x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Signum; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (10#, 230 pts)
9 Devastator Squad @ 230 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Missile Launcher x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Signum; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Elite: Techmarine (1#, 50 pts)
1 Techmarine @ 50 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Servo Arm; Bolt Pistol; And They Shall Know No Fear; Blessing of the Omnissiah; Bolster Defenses; Combat Tactics; Independent Character)
1 Servo Arm

Elite: Techmarine (1#, 50 pts)
1 Techmarine @ 50 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Servo Arm; Bolt Pistol; And They Shall Know No Fear; Blessing of the Omnissiah; Bolster Defenses; Combat Tactics; Independent Character)
1 Servo Arm

His list

Librarian, Avenger, Null Zone
5 Sternguard, 2 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
5 Sternguard, 2 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
5 Sternguard, 2 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Tactical Marines, Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Missile Launcher, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Tactical Marines, Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Missile Launcher, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Tactical Marines, Flamer, Combi-Flamer, Missile Launcher, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Devastators , 4 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Devastators , 4 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM
10 Devastators , 4 Missile Launchers, Razorback w/Las+Plas, HKM

If Sean Xerox that list then Stelek Xerox mine the only difference is that my list used special characters and techmarines to give better protection to both the vehicles and the marines. Large amount of marines in cover with missle launchers and razorbacks, he clearly took out the IC's and added in more razorbacks and missle launchers.

I guess my definition of Xerox is different.